Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Base Armor: C&S Crusader Heavy Combat Armor 55,000 cr
Base Conversion Cost: 5,500 cr
Base Conversion Time: 3d12 hours

1 Minor Upgrade: +5 PPE +5,000 cr +2d6 hours
2 Minor Upgrade: +5 PPE +5,000 cr +2d6 hours
1 Major Upgrade (Novice): Power Speed +20,000 cr +2d6 days
2 Major Upgrade (Seasoned): Power Quickness +40,000 cr +4d6 days
3 Major Upgrade (Novice): Edge Fleet-Footed +20,000 cr +2d6 days
4 Major Upgrade: +10 PPE +30,000 cr +3d6 days

Total Construction Cost: 170,500 cr
Total Construction Time: 11d6 days + 4d6 +3d12 hours
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Yup, totes legit. J'approve!
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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I want one.

PS: Approved
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Follows the RAW, but I vote No as it uses the Signature Item to circumvent an implicit limitation on the Crazy IF (quickness and speed are noticeably absent from the Crazy power list). While using a Sig Item in that way is legitimate -- others certainly have used them to shore up weaknesses -- I'm not comfortable with stacking on so many speed- and action-oriented effects, when the designers clearly sought to limit that very thing.

I expect I may be outvoted, and that's fine, but I wanted to explain where I'm coming from.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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I agree with Tribe of one. Not approved.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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This is an item that Hans or any other Seasoned TW could make. Would you make it unavailable to get an NPC to make it for him? Would you stop a TW from making the item itself, upgrade by upgrade?
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Created Gadgets:
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Golems:
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Hans:
  • Fatigue: 0
    Wounds: 0
Golems (*=Mind Link, #=Winged)
  • Gargamel*#
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Huey*
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Dewey
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Louis
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Alvin*
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Simon
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Theodore
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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I'm inclined to go with Hans on this--this item doesn't even require special rules to make--it's bog-standard, and could be purchased from an NPC TW if you have one available to you. (Note that saying, "Crazies can't buy TW gear with the Quickness power on them" raises even more ruling issues.)
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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The consequence will be the Crazy with Split the Seconds can now take what 6 actions a round? But he will still do less offensively than the Robot Pilot or the Glitter Boy. It make the crazy a selective area of effect weapon. I would not consider this the end of the world.

How many magic users and mind melters on the Site use Exalted Quickness to take 4 per round Likely at least 20. So this crazy has a synergy that lets him take 6 per round.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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RFT wrote:The consequence will be the Crazy with Split the Seconds can now take what 6 actions a round? But he will still do less offensively than the Robot Pilot or the Glitter Boy. It make the crazy a selective area of effect weapon. I would not consider this the end of the world.

How many magic users and mind melters on the Site use Exalted Quickness to take 4 per round Likely at least 20. So this crazy has a synergy that lets him take 6 per round.
In fact, Hans and Tick combined into Tick having 2 turns of 3 actions without penalty a round, with just the 1 power of Hans's
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PPE: 15 / 30 (11 - 13 Invested into Gargamel, 1 Invested into Humble's Bracelet)
Silver Ring 1: 5 / 10
Silver Ring 2: 5 / 10
Active Powers:
None
Combat Edges/Hindrances:
Hesitant
Arcane Machinist Gadgets Left: 1 /6
Created Gadgets:
Arcane Protection (6 PPE left)
Remote Viewing (6 PPE left)
Teleport (4 PPE left)
Dispel (9 PPE left)

Bennies: 1 (+1 Z) / 3
Base Amount
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-1 to Reroll Fear against Vithen Wraiths
-1 to Reroll Arcana to Find Geist among Mirror Selves

Toughness: 16 (8); Parry: 4; Pace: 5 (d4)
Golems:
Gargamel (Invested PPE, Flying Pace 12, Mind Rider)
Huey (Mind Rider), Dewey, Louis
Alvin (Mind Rider), Simon, Theodore
https://savagerifts.com/sr/viewtopic.php?p=76048#p76048

Hans:
  • Fatigue: 0
    Wounds: 0
Golems (*=Mind Link, #=Winged)
  • Gargamel*#
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Huey*
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Dewey
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Louis
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Alvin*
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Simon
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Theodore
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Hans Greuber wrote:
RFT wrote:The consequence will be the Crazy with Split the Seconds can now take what 6 actions a round? But he will still do less offensively than the Robot Pilot or the Glitter Boy. It make the crazy a selective area of effect weapon. I would not consider this the end of the world.

How many magic users and mind melters on the Site use Exalted Quickness to take 4 per round Likely at least 20. So this crazy has a synergy that lets him take 6 per round.
In fact, Hans and Tick combined into Tick having 2 turns of 3 actions without penalty a round, with just the 1 power of Hans's
Hopefully we will have that with Humble soon too! I would not mind my favorite tank running around with 4 attacks. He could use them to discourage people from attacking his allies.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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RFT wrote:
Hans Greuber wrote:
RFT wrote:The consequence will be the Crazy with Split the Seconds can now take what 6 actions a round? But he will still do less offensively than the Robot Pilot or the Glitter Boy. It make the crazy a selective area of effect weapon. I would not consider this the end of the world.

How many magic users and mind melters on the Site use Exalted Quickness to take 4 per round Likely at least 20. So this crazy has a synergy that lets him take 6 per round.
In fact, Hans and Tick combined into Tick having 2 turns of 3 actions without penalty a round, with just the 1 power of Hans's
Hopefully we will have that with Humble soon too! I would not mind my favorite tank running around with 4 attacks. He could use them to discourage people from attacking his allies.
Hans may make Humble a suit of armor with a HUGE bullseye on it... with those upgrades.
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PPE: 15 / 30 (11 - 13 Invested into Gargamel, 1 Invested into Humble's Bracelet)
Silver Ring 1: 5 / 10
Silver Ring 2: 5 / 10
Active Powers:
None
Combat Edges/Hindrances:
Hesitant
Arcane Machinist Gadgets Left: 1 /6
Created Gadgets:
Arcane Protection (6 PPE left)
Remote Viewing (6 PPE left)
Teleport (4 PPE left)
Dispel (9 PPE left)

Bennies: 1 (+1 Z) / 3
Base Amount
+1 Zombie Bennie
-1 to Reroll Fear against Vithen Wraiths
-1 to Reroll Arcana to Find Geist among Mirror Selves

Toughness: 16 (8); Parry: 4; Pace: 5 (d4)
Golems:
Gargamel (Invested PPE, Flying Pace 12, Mind Rider)
Huey (Mind Rider), Dewey, Louis
Alvin (Mind Rider), Simon, Theodore
https://savagerifts.com/sr/viewtopic.php?p=76048#p76048

Hans:
  • Fatigue: 0
    Wounds: 0
Golems (*=Mind Link, #=Winged)
  • Gargamel*#
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Huey*
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Dewey
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Louis
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Alvin*
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Simon
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
    Theodore
    • Fatigue: 0
      Wounds: 0
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Tribe of One wrote:Follows the RAW, but I vote No as it uses the Signature Item to circumvent an implicit limitation on the Crazy IF (quickness and speed are noticeably absent from the Crazy power list). While using a Sig Item in that way is legitimate -- others certainly have used them to shore up weaknesses -- I'm not comfortable with stacking on so many speed- and action-oriented effects, when the designers clearly sought to limit that very thing.

I expect I may be outvoted, and that's fine, but I wanted to explain where I'm coming from.
Crazies can use tw gear, and tw can build items with these two powers on it. Going by this cyberknights could not use half the powers in the book because they are not on their list.

I would pose this issue as a house rule for voting before denying this item.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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I've got no problem with teammates working together, or TWs following the rules to enchant something, or PCs buying it with earned cash. But Signature Items are a house rule of this site, one introduced and approved by the GMs to provide a shortcut to accessing (hopefully flavorful) items of power. As such, I think it's fully within our purview to exercise some discretion in how that house rule is applied. This particular proposal clearly and powerfully uses the item to circumvent limitations baked into the SR rules, and does so in a way that pushes the speed and action economy to the very limit of what is normally only possible with coordinated teamwork or significant investment of time and resources. I don't see anything wrong with saying No in these circumstances.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

Post by Pender Lumkiss »

Tribe of One wrote:I've got no problem with teammates working together, or TWs following the rules to enchant something, or PCs buying it with earned cash. But Signature Items are a house rule of this site, one introduced and approved by the GMs to provide a shortcut to accessing (hopefully flavorful) items of power. As such, I think it's fully within our purview to exercise some discretion in how that house rule is applied. This particular proposal clearly and powerfully uses the item to circumvent limitations baked into the SR rules, and does so in a way that pushes the speed and action economy to the very limit of what is normally only possible with coordinated teamwork or significant investment of time and resources. I don't see anything wrong with saying No in these circumstances.
I was not saying it was not a fair argument. I just think it should be more of a house rule or addendum for the sig items. I also used to think it was a short cut to items with a fair amount of power and I did not really like them. VV changed my mind by explaining that the sig items are an item earned through play, no different than if you bought it, crafted it or got it from a loot drop.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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The main reason im wanting the power Quickness is it does something that Split the Seconds doesn't. It lets me move twice.

And moving at fast as possible is what I'm shooting for with this character
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Weapon in Hand: Chain Longsword (Str+2d8 MD, AP 2, 15 lbs., aka Paul Bunyan), Vibro-Sword (Str+d10 MD, AP 4, 9 lb, aka Vibe), Vibro-Sword (Str+d10 MD, AP 4, 9 lb, aka Rator)
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Looks good to me, barring a house rule change.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Pender Lumkiss wrote:Looks good to me, barring a house rule change.
?? The current house rule is that Signature Items have to be approved by the GMs. I think currently it's 3-2, based on comments, and several folks haven't weighed in. What change are you suggesting?
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Tribe of One wrote:
Pender Lumkiss wrote:Looks good to me, barring a house rule change.
?? The current house rule is that Signature Items have to be approved by the GMs. I think currently it's 3-2, based on comments, and several folks haven't weighed in. What change are you suggesting?
I am not proposing a house rule. But there does seem to be a line of thought that signature items cannot have powers an iconic framework does not have access too.

Should that thought become a house rule then I would need to reevalute my thoughts on this current item.


Let me get this straight, some folks will not let a character pay EP for this item, but if he starts with it and "owes" the legion credits for it, the item is approved unanimously?
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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What if I paired the Quickness power to just the extra movement, so that when paired with Split the Seconds it equals the Quickness power?
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Weapon in Hand: Chain Longsword (Str+2d8 MD, AP 2, 15 lbs., aka Paul Bunyan), Vibro-Sword (Str+d10 MD, AP 4, 9 lb, aka Vibe), Vibro-Sword (Str+d10 MD, AP 4, 9 lb, aka Rator)
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  • As an action, switch to Ion Beam (12/24/48, 1-3d6+1, RoF 1, 0 AP, 10 Shots), or have laser do Mega-Damage (uses 10x the ammo and applies snap fire penalty). Integrated scope offsets up to either -2 points of penalties due to range or lighting (or the lack there of).
Armor Worn: C&S Crusader Heavy Combat Armor (+11 Armor, + 2 Toughness, +1 Pace, d10 Str min, 24 lbs), Tough Clothes (+1 Toughness), Bandito Arms Branaghan Overcoat (+1 Toughness)
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Let me be clear.

I approve as is already.

I am against restricting items to Iconic Framework power lists. I will add a poll for voting
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Pender Lumkiss wrote:
Tribe of One wrote:
Pender Lumkiss wrote:Looks good to me, barring a house rule change.
?? The current house rule is that Signature Items have to be approved by the GMs. I think currently it's 3-2, based on comments, and several folks haven't weighed in. What change are you suggesting?
I am not proposing a house rule. But there does seem to be a line of thought that signature items cannot have powers an iconic framework does not have access too.

Should that thought become a house rule then I would need to reevalute my thoughts on this current item.


Let me get this straight, some folks will not let a character pay EP for this item, but if he starts with it and "owes" the legion credits for it, the item is approved unanimously?
The current rule for Sig Items is that they're subject to GM discretion. I'm exercising my discretion as (just) one of the GMs to reject it, for the reasons I outlined above. I don't think there's any need to enshrine those reasons as a house rule, though, as the current policy covers it.

And I'm not sure how a character would start with a Signature Item and owe the legion for it. For Signature Items, you "buy" them with EP or a Patron bonus, and they're subject to GM review. Alternatively, you could earn enough credits in-game over time to pay for the TW enchantments (or do it yourself if a TW) and get the item that way, bypassing GM review (other than your own GM). I'm fine with that.
Jitters wrote: What if I paired the Quickness power to just the extra movement, so that when paired with Split the Seconds it equals the Quickness power?
I'd be much more comfortable with something like this. In fact, I'd be fine with a custom Major mod along the lines of "If the user has the Split the Seconds Edge, he may take a second Move action in conjunction with the additional action granted by the Edge. This benefit cannot be combined with quickness or any other effect that grants additional Move actions." That way you don't even have to pay Power Points for the ability (and it can't be dispelled), it just enhances the existing Edge.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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RFT wrote: I am against restricting items to Iconic Framework power lists. I will add a poll for voting
FYI, I never suggested this. We've had lots of characters submit items with powers that weren't on their list, but those generally included powers to fill a gap/offset a weakness, rather than stacking power on top of IF-granted power to push the movement/action economy to the bleeding edge.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Base Armor: C&S Crusader Heavy Combat Armor 55,000 cr
Base Conversion Cost: 5,500 cr
Base Conversion Time: 3d12 hours

1 Minor Upgrade: +5 PPE +5,000 cr +2d6 hours
2 Minor Upgrade: +5 PPE +5,000 cr +2d6 hours
1 Major Upgrade (Novice): Power Speed +20,000 cr +2d6 days
2 Major Upgrade (Veteran): Savitar's Speed: A true master of the speed force doth this armor make.
  • Any creature with the ability for an extra non movement action, can now move with that second action
    • Note this is a edge equivalent ability and increases the ppe cost of the armor by 1 ppt.
+60,000 cr +4d6 days
3 Major Upgrade (Novice): Edge Fleet-Footed +20,000 cr +2d6 days
4 Major Upgrade: +10 PPE +30,000 cr +3d6 days

Total Construction Cost: 190,500 cr
Total Construction Time: 11d6 days + 4d6 +3d12 hours

This is just a rehash of Jitters initial post wit h the feedback from he and tribe. Lets go with this version, yeah?
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Approved.

I like it better than just using a blanket application of Quickness. It has more flavour.

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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Changing my vote to approved based on the changes.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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Jitters do you have the background, flavor, why it is a sig iteam posted somewhere? I think that is all that it is missing.
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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I'll get it posted this weekend.
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Weapon in Hand: Chain Longsword (Str+2d8 MD, AP 2, 15 lbs., aka Paul Bunyan), Vibro-Sword (Str+d10 MD, AP 4, 9 lb, aka Vibe), Vibro-Sword (Str+d10 MD, AP 4, 9 lb, aka Rator)
Wilk's 237 Laser Pistol (15/30/60, 2d6+1 dmg, RoF 1, AP 2, 16 shots, 3 lbs, Semi-Auto)
JA-11 Energy Rifle (30/60/120, 3d6, RoF 1, AP 2, Shots 60, 7 lbs, Special)
  • As an action, switch to Ion Beam (12/24/48, 1-3d6+1, RoF 1, 0 AP, 10 Shots), or have laser do Mega-Damage (uses 10x the ammo and applies snap fire penalty). Integrated scope offsets up to either -2 points of penalties due to range or lighting (or the lack there of).
Armor Worn: C&S Crusader Heavy Combat Armor (+11 Armor, + 2 Toughness, +1 Pace, d10 Str min, 24 lbs), Tough Clothes (+1 Toughness), Bandito Arms Branaghan Overcoat (+1 Toughness)
ISP: 20/30
Bennies: 3 Red 5 Regular

Encumberance: 56 lbs/84 lbs

Alts: Pvt. Logan Wright, CS Fightin' Joes
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Re: Savitar's Armor of Speed

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As a note what is missing is all signature items need to include a paragraph of what makes it special to the character.

You may want to jot something down.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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